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Looking for evidence of Obama's past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him.

Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, "I don't know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me.

I don't have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia. Ever! Nobody recalls him. I'm not exaggerating, I'm not kidding."
Root adds that he was also, like Obama, "Class of '83 political science, pre-law" and says, "You don't get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in my life, don't know anyone who ever met him.

At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me.

No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who's kind of the, as we say in New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him. Is that not strange?

It's very strange." Obama's photograph does not appear in the school's yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia, provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Allyn_Root#column-one
NOTE: Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan
School, then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political
Science major (in the same class as President Barack Obama WAS SUPPOSED TO
HAVE BEEN IN)
 
Do you consider this proof of something?

I bet if you checked at my graduating class at Rolla very, very few, if any would remember me. Does that mean I did not attend?

Or is this just further "proof" that Obama is not really the President of the United States?

Dribble. Pure dribble. Keep perpetuating myths. Anyone can say anything it seems.
 
Hey, you were a rolla grad? Cool. What degree? I started there and after the military finished mine at Mizzou. Yeah and know one would remember me in my graduating class either. If the college has you on their rolls and grades for the time you spent there and a letter saying you graduated, then you did. Easily proven.
 
Karl, per my sticky, prove he is wrong, just saying he is doesn't prove a thing. He has provided some type of reference. Now you can post yours. Present the facts, up to the rest to decide if true or not. If you can't, your post will be removed....
 
I think your getting extremely close to unfairly picking on Karl here. And for that matter I don't necessarily agree with YOUR rule that we should not be able to offer opinions in the paddock unless substantiated by "facts." Who determines what "facts" are sufficient to substantiate/prove an opinion? A Snake should be able to post his opinions & Karl should be able to post his opinions so long as each does so in a respectful & courteous manner without resorting to inflammatory/insulting/disrespectful rhetoric & I don't see where or how either one of them has done so within this thread. Perhaps we members should have been given an opportunity to vote on "rules" for the paddock before they were adopted by whomever adopted them. Is this organization a democracy or something other than that? If this post is deemed OT by you then I suppose you can delete it, because after all you have the power to so.
 
Karl: most people that have even the 6th degree of separation usually lay claim to knowing a class mate that becomes famous for what ever reason.
I don't know why you are so sensitive to any comment made about this adminstration.
 
Dave, yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion. The posts that seem to rile most are when the opinion is unsubstantiated. One has to have some fact or information (fact or not) that forms the opinion in the first place. Simply saying that something is wrong without any argument or debate to back it up is then, to me, only an opinion that everyone can disagree with. I only want people to stay on topic, debate/discuss a topic based on what they believe and how they came to that opinion. If a vote was put before the forum, there would be as many votes as their are members. If up to me, I wouldn't have political talk at all here in a CAR forum. And, the poll that was put out about political talk was split, so no one really cares. However, if a post is put up, I intend to keep it on topic, keep it civil and keep the discussion moving along. Not picking on Karl, ask Mike W, heck, ask yourself as I've sent PM's to each of you. So, to answer your questions:

Who determines what "facts" are sufficient to substantiate/prove an opinion? I do, you do, everyone else does which keeps the discussion going. I can debate that ANYthing on wikipedia is simply someone's opinion, not fact based. i've used it as a reference and a talking point, but not the "bible" in which to form my opinion.

Is this organization a democracy or something other than that? A democracy to a point. I believe that we are fair and put a lot of thought in to the decisions that affect the forum. I don't believe anything that has been asked of the forum that the forum cannot follow or believe in. Again, a lot of different people, cultures, and backgrounds of people on here with a commonality - Cars.

Is you post off topic? No, not really. It addressed/questioned the reason for trying to keep the discussion going. If ASnake doesn't understand the reason why Karl posted what he did or why he has the opinion he has, it can't really be an argument, can it?

Back to the topic - I know people from my high school in grades above and below me that have gone on to be Dr's, lawyers, senators, owners of company's etc.... I remember them. But, there were only 1,000 students in grades 9-12. Columbia University has 25,000 students with 3,000 faculty(I looked it up) could one guy get lost and not be noticed even if he became president? Does anyone have a yearbook from Columbia University? I have to say ASnake, this one is hard for me to swallow too.
 
Purple Venom said:
Does anyone have a yearbook from Columbia University? I have to say ASnake, this one is hard for me to swallow too.
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Tim,

It was previously reported that Obama's picture does not appear in the Columbia University Yearbook for the two years he claimed to attend. It is one of the reasons Fox News canvassed Columbia students for anyone who knew Barry.

However, the following statement by a Columbia University official would seem to put the matter to rest:

"A spokesman for the university, Brian Connolly, confirmed that Mr. Obama spent two years at Columbia College and graduated in 1983 with a major in political science. He did not receive honors, Mr. Connolly said, though specific information on his grades is sealed. A program from the 1983 graduation ceremony lists him as a graduate."

A copy of that graduation ceremony program must still exist in someone's possession since it is specifically the type of personal memrobilia people like to save. If Barry's name is on that original program...case closed.

K&K
 
This is why I take exception to the things said about this administration: Because most of them are absolutely silly and embarrassing. They seem to assume that most people who read them and pass them on are really dumb enough to believe them in the first place. I really have a hard time believing that there are people out there who fall for this dribble. Yet many people do fall for it. Time after time after time. If someone started an email saying that Obama was from Mars there would be a core of people who would believe it. This is just tabloid stuff. Yet it just keeps on coming. I bet Sarah Palin believes it all! :D:D
 
karl not that 1 is better then the other you need to watch this shows faults with both go to youtube.com the obama deception watch long version this will enlighten you like it did me
 
Tim:

Requiring that someone "substantiate" his or her opinions with "facts" is an exercise in futility & a waste of time. It won't make any difference or change anybody's opinion. Besides any of us can come up with some "facts" we believe substantiate our opinions. My opinions are colored by my life experiences, beliefs & personality that God gave me and that's true for everyone. None of us are alike. We are all unique. As long as we are respectful & courteous to one another & do not insult, redicule, personally attack one another or use inflammatory rhetoric I think we should be able to express our opinions without "substantiating" them with "facts" based solely on your opinion of whether we have done so or not. Opinions are just that & nothing more. We all have them & we are all wrong with our opinions until we stand before our creator some day in judgment & then we will all have answers to our questions & opinions. If you choose to not believe in God or the bible that is your prerogative & free choice that God has given you.

Someone needs to stick up for Karl & defend his right to express his decidedly & markedly minority opinions on the left side of the fence in a sea of predominantly right wing rhetoric & opinions. Is he going to be granted the same rights to offer his opinions as those on the other side of the fence or is this forum only for those that are on the left side of the fence & all others keep your mouth shut & your not welcome on our forum & in our club?

BTW If you were in Karl's postion of having the minority opinion in a sea of predominantly left wing rhetoric & opinions I would stick up for & defend you the same as I am doing for Karl.
 
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I have no problem with peoples position (read as opinion).
Everyone has one..just as everyone has an @#$hole....some of them stink.:D:D:D

Karl has his right to disagree with what is posted.
Just as I do.

I find some posts interesting and others absurd.
I do try to verify what I post. If I am proven incorrect then I will concede.
 
"Everyone has one..(an opinion) just as everyone has an @#$hole....some of them stink.:D:D:D" A Snake

Actually mine smells very nice thank you very much. :D
 
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I don't want to say I know that for fear of the retribution from other members, but I did assume it David.
You will be getting an email from me soon....wife has some questions about cruises.
 
"If you choose to not believe in God or the bible that is your perogative & free choice that God has given you." - I hope this wasn't directed at anyone, but was simply used as an example, right?
 
Purple Venom said:
"If you choose to not believe in God or the bible that is your prerogative & free choice that God has given you." - I hope this wasn't directed at anyone, but was simply used as an example, right?
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It was directed at everyone including me. We are all given the freedom of choice by God to accept or reject him. We are all given the freedom of choice by God to sin or obey God and his directives and commandments in the bible. I sin daily. I am a wretched sinful human being who does not deserve God's forgiveness & mercy & the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of my sins.

Paul said in Romans 7:14-25: "We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate to do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer myself who does it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do - this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God-through Jesus Christ our Lord!" (This is the dilemma.)

(This is the solution) Romans 8:1-19: "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Jesus Christ, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.
You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.
... those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. ... The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children of God, then we are heirs-heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed." AMEN Praise be to God. These are the words of God for the people of God.
 
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