"Stimulus" Plan

It will be rough, but I say let bad decisions be bad decisions, and let the strong survive. Problem is, too many jobs will be lost, so scrap that idea. 'Giving' money to large corporations so they can "survive" is wrong too to me. They only have bigger parties, bonuses, and planes to buy with it. IF ONE big company would actually take this money and use it to improve their product. Take Chrysler for example. Can anyone give me one car of theirs that is a gas mizer not a gas hog? Seems the other companies have figured that one out, why not Chrysler? Because as of today, they have burned through $4 Billion dollars without a new car that ISN"T a gas guzzler. The all new Ram pickup, The Aspen, Challenger, Charger, 300M.... The list goes on and on. Chrysler - buh bye. Take on bad debt (Fannie Mae) you should get hurt for making bad decisions. IF we are to keep dolling out money, it should have an oversight committee watching how it's spent. I keep spending money in the local economy trying to support the little guy and american products, I get the feeling I'm alone in this. Who still shops at Wal-Mart?
 
Don't get me started...

OK. The current stimulus is getting wacked around congress right now...but what we in the education/construction business just saw getting taken out was the $14 BB portion for revitalizing schools, improving energy efficiency in buildings. This would have a direct $ impact on jobs in every state and will help make our public school districts better. The economic downturn has effected these schools with with a total reduction in property tax and sales tax dollars that are coming in.

If someone wants to debate the "tax cut" as a form of stimulus...please educate me. But don't turn this into a Rush Limbaugh forum.
 
The President needs to learn to look in to the camera and speak to the American people, not the press present at the news conference.

Can you say C.C.C.?
 
I'd rather see some trickle up economics.
The current cost of the bailout is 9 Trillion.
With appx 300 million people in the us - that equates to $30,000 each for every man, woman & child.
That would be enough stimulate the entire world.
Family of 4 = $120,000.
 
I know I lean right. I'll come right out and say it. I do think we need to work on our highways and bridges and even masss transit for the cities. What I don't want is paybacks to movie industries and a museum for criminals and all of the "We Want" things that senators are throwing in. Fix the freaking school, so our children are educated. Fix the roads and bridges so our products can get to market easier and faster. "Assisted" the housing market so people WITH PROPER CREDIT can get a loan. I'm sorry, but if you work at McDonalds, you can't have a 200K house. Face it and Live with it. I understand the "Stimulus" idea, but not how they are trying to force it. How about we all agree on the infrastructure stuff and get hat going now and have another vote in June or July on the rest if it is needed. 700 Billion in October and now another 800 to over 900 billion. I don't think we can afford it. Big three, survive and go through chapter 11 and re-structure. I firmly believe in a hand up, not a hand out. And no RL Scott :D, just me IMHO.;)
 
That will NEVER happen, there is no way the gov't will just send us little folk a check. Makes no sense either. Create jobs, much like FDR did and how Japan is currently, repair that stupid right hand lane on I-55 from Benton to West Memphis, Ar. Repair ALL of the roads in Illinois (man, some of the worst, next to Missouri), build/repair bridges, begin monitoring gas gouging and prosecute to the fullest and to the top of the company for doing so. Anyway, doesn't matter, B.O. is going to improve federal buildings. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah improve Fed. Bldgs what a bunch of ____! I get so sick of wasted money on Fed. Bldgs by Rep. & Dem. admin. alike. All they are doing is paying back the guys who helped them get elected with stupid contracts to spend our tax dollars. Just like the Halliburton thing in Iraq. Dick Chaney's buddies. Politics as usual. Shame on them. I remember 20 yrs ago seeing workers in a Fed. Bldg tearing up perfectly good carpet & putting in new ugly carpet. Dumb. Scotty is right. How we can we create new permanent jobs & stimulate the economy?
 
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Mark Puleeeeeeze chill out. Don't take this stuff so seriously. What we think or say isn't going to make any difference anyway. It's the guys in Wash. who have to worry about making the wrong people mad that count, not us little guys. We're just having a meaningless debate about how were going to fix everything. :rolleyes:;):eek:
 
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I agree with Dave.

I have a solution to the "crisis" and this will help jobs here in the US of A. Give every red blooded middle age guy a check for $25k, and make them spend it on Muscle Cars Parts!

That's about as good as it gets...

I found myself getting angry watching the "news conference" tonight. It just seems that everyone wants to blame someone else, and everyone has an opinion on how to fix it, by nobody will admit that anyone has the "right" idea. I support whatever is going to come out of the stimulus plan, because something needs to slow this decline, but there is no Plan "B". If this fails, what next. I'm not being political or taking sides...it's just a rhetorical question.
 
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You're right Scott. I don't have any solutions. When I wrote above, I was a little frustrated, and like you, I know there isn't a plan B. Everything has an effect. If Chrysler shuts down, they don't order parts from their suppliers who don't make the parts at their factory's and then more people are out of work that probably have cell phones that can no longer use them which means the cell phone provider doesn't need to provide as many cell sites which puts me, my contractor's, my architects, the power company engineer's, the TELCo company engineer's, and finally the fibre companies are affected. That's just one example of the domino theory. Think a Trillion dollars will fix that?
 
I agree if any money is given is too give it too the middle class. However I do think stimulus in the form of tax cuts would go along way to help the economy.

If you have been paying attention China and other countries are refusing to buy our paper (translate: give us loans). This means we are just printing money. The only long term affect can be inflation. Just as the economy starts to turn, inflation will rear it's ugly head, and we will be right back where we started.

As far as the energy efficiency of buildings in the stimulus, I for one was glad to see it killed off. I have studdied LEED and green building extensivly, and am convincined that main goal is to fill peoples pockets. The juice is not worth the squeeze. Sustainable building should be done by everyone, and has been done for many years. Slapping a label on it, and paying someone to certify you does not make the building any better.

I've always been told the first thing you need to do to get yourself out of a hole is stop digging!!!!

The best thing we can do is fire these guys who vote for it next election!
 
Some advocate doing nothing & they could be right in the sense that 800 billion won't be enough. Or for that matter the problem is so big who knows how much it would take? But we can't hardly just sit by & do nothing. We have to try something. And we can't take forever arguing about what will or will not work. Compromise & agree on something for God's sake get a bill passed & move on for the sake of our country.
 
My .02 worth: what we have in this "stimulus bill" are all the things the dems have been wanting for the past 20 years.
I do not like the tone of the new regime,,,we won, so suck it up.
Obama campaigned on a lot of things and had a lot of money to spend on his election.
He is now faced with reality, not ideolgy.

The plan does not get money into the system quickly...infastructure(even if shovel ready) is months/years away and only addresses the construction industry.

I feel a haitus on FICA/Medicare for 2 months would put more disposable income into the hands of those that are working. Instead, the plan is to give more money to those drawing unempoyment benefits.
I have not changed my spending habits nor do I plan to. I am blessed or lucky or maybe I just did it right by playing by the rules; i.e. borrow-payback;save;invest; etc.
 
WOW...Mike, you mean you took responsibility for yourself...novel idea!!!!

That is what this is all about. Those of us who planned and saved for a rainy day, are now getting stuck paying for those who played!!!

(Or should I say our children will get stuck paying)
 
Yeah Mike I'll bet your right on that one. To the victor go the spoils. But doesn't that hold true regardless of which party wins? Haven't the Rep.s had their way for the last 8 yrs? Aren't the dem.s now entitled to have their way for awhile now cause they won? Maybe not. Perhaps we should just all continue to be bellicose? :D
 
I am having a real problem with this admins failure to live up to the promises that got them elected
To wit: transparancy(maybe a catscan is in order)
lobbyists(were not to be any and last count there were 12)
tax relief; dems dont need tax cuts, they just dont pay them until questioned then they pony up minus penalties(and maybe interest)

I guess I am just jeolous!! Just like the ag industry....wish I could find a fed program to pay me not to produce my products.
 
I just reread Marks comments...how do you describe "middle-age".
I fall into the "old fart" category. But I still buy all the speed/hot rod parts too.
I could use some extra muuhlaa that the wife would not know about.
 
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