Obama Healthcare....
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Unfortunately it looks as though these programs will get passed no matter what the outrage from the right. The problem that the opposition is having is their inability to form (and argue) a cogent dissent. Here again, the NeoCons are in a fog. The argument should not be which plan is better, or which plan is too expensive; the debate should be that HEALTH INSURANCE IS NOT A RIGHT (guaranteed by the constitution) and therefore should not be legislated, mandated, controlled, managed, or offered by the federal government - PERIOD. At this point, the bills will pass and become law. People will die in some odd circumstances, and eventually an attorney with some testicles will sue the government on the actual constitutionality of the federal government being involved any form of health care. The repubs are ball-less and refuse to put their foot down and because of that the dems will win again.
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Going to a town hall meeting? Ask your public official:
1) Can you promise I will not lose my current plan & doctor?
2) Can you promise you and your family will enroll in the public plan?
3) Can you promise the president's healthcare overhaul will not lead to higher deficits in the long term?
4) Can you promise that government bureaucrats will not ration healthcare for patients on the public plan?
This from Fox. There was a fifth, but didn't put it on here as it deals with abortion and not the real issue of the healthplan. Anyone see the gaffe by our "smart" POTUS? He was trying to make a point that FedEx and UPS are doing just fine with private healthplans (that the employers wouldn't force employee's to sign up for a public healthplan - yeah right) and that the one that is screwed up is th US Postal Service (Uh, isn't that a government run agency?)....
1) Can you promise I will not lose my current plan & doctor?
2) Can you promise you and your family will enroll in the public plan?
3) Can you promise the president's healthcare overhaul will not lead to higher deficits in the long term?
4) Can you promise that government bureaucrats will not ration healthcare for patients on the public plan?
This from Fox. There was a fifth, but didn't put it on here as it deals with abortion and not the real issue of the healthplan. Anyone see the gaffe by our "smart" POTUS? He was trying to make a point that FedEx and UPS are doing just fine with private healthplans (that the employers wouldn't force employee's to sign up for a public healthplan - yeah right) and that the one that is screwed up is th US Postal Service (Uh, isn't that a government run agency?)....
Rep. Tom price tells it like it is please watch
MOST OF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A BROTHER WHO IS A DOCTOR AND ALSO SAYS THIS WILL DESTROY, RUIN AND BUTCHER HEALTHCARE IN OUR COUNTRY LISTEN TO TOM PRICE
If you have not seen this please take a minute and watch it....well worth your time!!!
Some of what goes on in Congress
This is a YouTube video that was made of US Rep. Tom Price-6th Dist. on Wednesday. Tom is a member of the House Healthcare Committee, and the video was shot in the Wednesday Committee meeting. Please share this with everyone you know.............this healthcare legislation MUST be defeated. Please share this video. We must, Democrats and Republicans alike, let our "leaders" know that this plan is unacceptable.
There has to be a better way than a government takeover! If the Government takes over, it will be one of the most colossal blunders in the history of this Nation!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD_YOlUBoIk
MOST OF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A BROTHER WHO IS A DOCTOR AND ALSO SAYS THIS WILL DESTROY, RUIN AND BUTCHER HEALTHCARE IN OUR COUNTRY LISTEN TO TOM PRICEIf you have not seen this please take a minute and watch it....well worth your time!!!
Some of what goes on in Congress
This is a YouTube video that was made of US Rep. Tom Price-6th Dist. on Wednesday. Tom is a member of the House Healthcare Committee, and the video was shot in the Wednesday Committee meeting. Please share this with everyone you know.............this healthcare legislation MUST be defeated. Please share this video. We must, Democrats and Republicans alike, let our "leaders" know that this plan is unacceptable.
There has to be a better way than a government takeover! If the Government takes over, it will be one of the most colossal blunders in the history of this Nation!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD_YOlUBoIk
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Duh let me get this straight
Obama's health care plan, House Bill 3200 will be:
Written by a committee whose Chairman says he doesn't understand it,
Passed by a Congress that hasn't and likely will not read it,
Signed by a president who smokes,
Funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes,
Overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and
Financed by a country that is nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
Obama's health care plan, House Bill 3200 will be:
Written by a committee whose Chairman says he doesn't understand it,
Passed by a Congress that hasn't and likely will not read it,
Signed by a president who smokes,
Funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes,
Overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and
Financed by a country that is nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
Please let the women in your life see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G44NCvNDLfc&feature=player_embedded
more explaining of this piece of crap health bill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G44NCvNDLfc&feature=player_embedded
more explaining of this piece of crap health bill
To: Paul B. Knese Ph.D. (pbknese@juno.com)
Looks like this thing is far worse than we thought. Now I begin to see what these camps are all about.
More evidence that this bill is no more than a Trojan Horse.
The following comment is from Michael Connelly of Carrollton,
Texas, a retired attorney and constitutional law instructor who has
read the entire health care bill and has some comments, not about
the bill, but about the impact upon our Constitution. It's a broader picture than just health care reform.
Looks like something to sit up and pay attention to; once this sort of thing happens, it will be irreversible.
THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE BILL?
Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200:
The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law.
I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.
To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.
The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out
of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled.
However, as scary as all of that it, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch
of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or one similar is adopted, major portions of the Constitution
of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.
The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives
of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.
This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of
the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.
If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private
insurance that is not deemed "acceptable" to the Choices Administrator" appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a "tax" instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the "due process of law.
So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out of the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;" The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.
I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation" to support the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.
For those who might doubt the nature of this threat that I suggest, they should consult the source. Here is a link to the Constitution:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
There, you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.
Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor
Carrollton, Texas
Looks like this thing is far worse than we thought. Now I begin to see what these camps are all about.
More evidence that this bill is no more than a Trojan Horse.
The following comment is from Michael Connelly of Carrollton,
Texas, a retired attorney and constitutional law instructor who has
read the entire health care bill and has some comments, not about
the bill, but about the impact upon our Constitution. It's a broader picture than just health care reform.
Looks like something to sit up and pay attention to; once this sort of thing happens, it will be irreversible.
THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE BILL?
Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200:
The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law.
I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.
To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.
The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out
of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled.
However, as scary as all of that it, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch
of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or one similar is adopted, major portions of the Constitution
of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.
The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives
of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.
This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of
the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.
If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private
insurance that is not deemed "acceptable" to the Choices Administrator" appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a "tax" instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the "due process of law.
So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out of the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;" The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.
I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation" to support the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.
For those who might doubt the nature of this threat that I suggest, they should consult the source. Here is a link to the Constitution:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
There, you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.
Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor
Carrollton, Texas