Need lighting help/opinion for Kitchen Remodel

Tim M

Tim M

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Tim
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Mauldin
I'm planning to install (6) recessed lights as part of my kitchen remodel. When I went to Home Depot today, I happened to remember my vaulted celing in the kitchen. If I went with a standard recessed light, they wouldn't shine straight down on the floor. I came across this - Slope Ceiling Fixture - and wondered if anyone has any experience with these?
 
Slope ceiling

Tim
All the mfg's make a recessed can for sloped ceilings. Since your's is a remodel, you won't be able to use the type that has a frame that attaches to the rafters. The remodel cans use clips on the inside of the can that anchors the can to the drywall. Cheaper units have three clips, more expensive units have four. Once the can is installed, then you adjust the internals so the socket/bulb is pointing down.

Most all are based on Cooper Industries "Halo" which is kind of the industry leader. Others are available but almost all are clones of the Halo units.

Not a big deal to install, they come with a pattern to place on the ceiling to mark for the cut. Just have to be sure you don't cut the hole too big. Match their pattern EXACTLY and you'll be OK.

You'll also have to decide if you need IC or Non-IC type (able to contact insulation or can not touch insulation) and if you want regular or airtight. Airtight cans are the pretty much the same except all openings and screws are sealed to stop air movement. Energy efficiency. If you have insulation where the cans are going, you need to use the IC type, designed to allow the insulation to directly contact the fixture without overheating.

Paul
 
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I know I need IC type due to the insulation above and I am getting airtight due to, again, direct contact with cold air from the attic. I have clear access to the rafters above, so, I could use them pending location of the rafters in my ceiling. Saw a 6" hole saw at Home Depot that is made for this, think I will get that. I really was just curious on the angle, do I really need a fixture made for the angle ceiling and let the light point where it may if pitched, or do I need this fixture to point straight down. I'm thinking I need these.
 
Yes you need to be able to adjust the light for a sloped ceiling. Can.t have to much light in your kitchen. IMHO

Rick:)
 
Oval

Tim
Cutting a 6" hole on an angled surface results in an oval shaped hole. I am familiar with the hole cutter and it would be more problem than what it is worth. The light will come with a pattern to cut to or if you know the angle of the ceiling, I can print out a pattern for you from AutoCAD.

Tape the pattern to the ceiling and cut the hole using a drywall saw. Much easier and a lot less expensive.

Paul

ps: provide a glass of cabernet and I'll cut them for you. :)
 
Won't be oval if you angle the hole saw to be flat against the ceiling..... :confused:
 
Purple Venom said:
Won't be oval if you angle the hole saw to be flat against the ceiling..... :confused:
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Yea, that's the problem. The center pilot drill isn't long enough to go thru before the outer edge of the saw makes contact with the ceiling.

You're right, the round saw will cut an oval but getting it to cut is the trick. You'd have to build some type of fixture that would hold the saw vertical and in position that would also allow it to begin to cut on the edge without pushing the hole off center.

Paul
 
Nope, have to disagree with you. I have a vaulted ceiling..it's 1/2" drywall. IfI simply hold the drill perpendicular to the ceiling, as far as the drill/ceiling is concerned, it's flat as the drywall is nailed flat against the trusses. The purpose of the light canisters is so iI can adjust the light to shine straight down even though the fixture is mounted at an angle. Although, it looks like this one has an angled housing so it doesn't look funky mounted to the ceiling.
 
Purple Venom said:
Although, it looks like this one has an angled housing so it doesn't look funky mounted to the ceiling.
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I'll hold my judgement/comments til I see the fixture. If the cylinder(housing), is perpendicular to the drywall, the hole would be round, but the light path wouldn't be correct. My experience with these, the housing is plumb and the trim ring is angled, resulting an oval hole in the ceiling.

again, I'll hold comments til I see the fixture

Paul
 
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