Misfit Toys at Gateway Saturday June 5

Nice video Steven, got any more? Had a great time Sat. I could see getting hooked on track days. Tim I think Rich hit the nail on the head driving 12hrs the day before is hard on us old guys (haha) and tires we trust. My tires made me look alot better than I really am.
 
Nice video Steven, got any more? Had a great time Sat. I could see getting hooked on track days. Tim I think Rich hit the nail on the head driving 12hrs the day before is hard on us old guys (haha) and tires we trust. My tires made me look alot better than I really am.
OH man are you leaving some low hanging fruit to joke about there :rolleyes:
 
Mark, no, not at all! I wasn't near as fast as the rest of the group. I just wanted to be able to run with everyone as it's more fun that way. I simply couldn't keep up. Down the straight, I typically could reach 130, this time, barely able to crack 125. My front tires have a lot of wear on them while my rears do not. So, just means I'm pushing in the turns and need to loosen it up. Not sure how to do that at the moment....will look in to that maybe.
 
Mark, no, not at all! I wasn't near as fast as the rest of the group. I just wanted to be able to run with everyone as it's more fun that way. I simply couldn't keep up. Down the straight, I typically could reach 130, this time, barely able to crack 125. My front tires have a lot of wear on them while my rears do not. So, just means I'm pushing in the turns and need to loosen it up. Not sure how to do that at the moment....will look in to that maybe.

Maybe your front tires are getting more wear from all that motor weight up front??:rolleyes: All the members Mark mentioned have small block strokers!! I'm sorry I couldn't resist...:o
 
My limiting factor is ME! I was a little intimidated the first lap, but I was building courage with each lap. I think my car will handle more than I was throwing at it, but I was having a ball!
Rich & Tony opened my eyes to what these cars CAN DO (thanks for the ride-along guys, it was a THRILL Ride for sure!! I was puckered on many corners, but wanted MORE! HOLY COW that was fun!
I was impressed with the recoveries that some of the members exhibited, after missing a corner or spinning out. NICE RECOVERY Gentlemen.
I was also humored by the Cone Killer King Rich. I heard Tony got a front row seat. He didn't just take out one or two, but a whole row of cones and spread them all over the track! I thought the marshals were trying to tell us something, with the cones pointed in & out on the turns, so I was trying to follow the cone directions.... WTH? TOO FUNNY Rich.

I think it was also a big learning experience for many of us, myself included. More point-bys need to be given and pay attention to the flags! When they Black Flag you, exit the track. And DO NOT stop on the track and absolutely DO NOT get out of your car on the track unless it is on fire. (this was covered in the driver's meeting, stop talking and listen)

All-in-all, GREAT DAY and no significant issues with anyone. Great job guys!!! I'd also like to suggest that the club considers making a donation to the Misfit Toys Car Club charity and seeing if we can partner with them for other charity activities. I wasn't aware of their events. Ron seems like a great guy and very approachable.
 
Well Tony was no longer fearful of the Avons, so instead of rocks, I threw cones at him. If nothing else, I am resourceful. :p
 
Well I'm certainly glad Tony was an alert driver! On about the third lap of the first session I had a mis shift and touched 2nd instead of hitting 4th and did a 360 before continuing on?? :confused: Result of not having much Cobra seat time yet this year!! :rolleyes:
 
Oh my the BLACK FLAG...I got one and so did Wayne..(his license plate) and mine was at the start/finish line, thinking where would you exit track other than the exit to pits? Several turns down 3 I believe...and someone (Mark blowing their horn and motioning...I not knowing what was wrong - a simple piece of plastic- although according to horn blower it was major? I thought a wheel was coming off, or I was on fire, or something drastic,) and agreed should have continued rather than stop, but the waving and yelling seemed it was a major situation... so I admit my bad...and all came out in the wash. The assumption of some thinking or saying not paying attention in the drivers meeting...would be the guy that did not know how to motion a quicker car around them I’m thinking....I did enjoy it 110%....and was great fun.....
 
Good explanation Ian and as Stephen, Mark R and I were talking, there are a few improvements they could make during the driver's meeting. One of which is to explain what to do during each type of flag, where to exit, passing zones and point by's.

Green Flag - Go
Yellow Flag - ok, this one IS confusing. As you approach ANY flagstand, you should always check to see if a flag is displayed. IF a Yellow is displayed, you should slow down until you see the next flagstand. If the next one is Green, you can resume track speed. If IT is Yellow, then, more than likely, it's a full course Yellow which can be confirmed at the next flagstand. Bottom line, pay attention to each flagstand, they are there to keep you and the other drivers safe. I feel they didn't do a great job, they did do an adequate job.
Red Flag - This one means come to a complete stop as quickly and safely as possible to the LEFT side of the track usually and near a flagstand if possible. Point is, stop wherever you are until the flagstand turns Yellow for you to proceed.
Black Flag - This means you have a problem and you need to get to the pits at the next available opportunity. Typically, if you pass the first flagstand that displayed the black flag twice the event organizers will remove that driver from the course...maybe a session or the rest of the day, up to them.
Blue Flag, sometimes has yellow stripe - There's a race and you aren't in it. Check your mirrors because someone faster than you is behind you and should be allowed to pass.
Checkered Flag - You're done and you are now on a cool down lap. I saw several make another lap AFTER getting the checkered. Rule is, once you take the checkered, slow to a safe speed preferably not by turn 1 or 2. You should be at a speed so as you don't have to use your brakes by Turn 3, no later than 4. This way, you can ride the rest of the track all the way to the pits WITHOUT touching your brakes to cool them and enter the pit lane at the first opportunity.

Point bye's/passing - I saw from a few people in our group as well as others, point bye's given in non passing zones like the entry to turn 1. NO one is allowed to pass there, but I saw it. I also saw faster cars being held up by slower cars just because the front car could beat them down the straight. Problem is, once they entered the interior portion of the course, the faster car had to ride behind the front car for several turns. In the end, just let them go, follow them if you can, you may learn something and, if you are indeed faster by turn 3 or 4 you will know and can pass them back. A car directly behind you and on your rear that pulls out IN passing zones, needs by plain and simple. It's a responsibility of BOTH drivers to make it known.

Horns/pointing/gesturing - It is my opinion that none of these should be done ON track. The corner workers and flagstands have that responsibility. In your case Ian, had I been working the flagstand, I would have thrown a black flag at you first, and if you came back by, a RED flag to make you stop where you were safely. So, there was some issues with the flagstands you passed as well.

Never EVER get out of your car on a hot track unless on fire or if a corner worker/flagstand worker instructs you to do so. Had your issue been so serious as a danger to yourself and others, a RED flag would have been thrown.

Please take this as info to learn from, not criticizing. I made a few of the same mistakes when I first started as well, so, don't take it personally that anyone is being picked on. Just things I noticed and things that Ryan with MFTCC didn't exactly cover during the driver's meeting.

I'm glad all the newbies had fun as that was the exact purpose. And, it's the reason I've had more fun with road course days than any AutoCross day. Difference is cost obviously.

Oh, and Mark P, I was riding with Tony when Rich started picking up cones. He handled it like a pro :D Rich, says he didn't turn a 360, but he did do twelve 30's :D There are spots open for their next event if you are interested!
 
..and someone (Mark blowing their horn and motioning...I not knowing what was wrong - a simple piece of plastic- although according to horn blower it was major?

We'll discuss this tomorrow night, PRIVATELY.

You are misunderstanding and blaming me?? seriously
 
Thanks for sharing all this information guys. I think we could all learn a lot from a good debrief. It was awesome to go with you all. When are we going again?

I had an absolute blast. I’m guilty of not paying attention to the flags. Were they sticking them out there waving them good or was I just oblivious. I learned a ton but know I can learn way more. I was pretty nervous the first couple times out. Mostly of when to brake. I was really happy with my car. I made some changes over the winter. Added sway bars. Adjusted them since my autocross day. And got new tires. It payed off big time. Could probably use some more tweaking but I think I should drive it more and learn more first. I did have the car start to feel a little loose on one high speed braking. Not sure what causes that. Was I approaching loss of traction? Or improper brake balance?

Tim your car can be set up like mine if you wanted. All I have different is the 3link, sway bars front and rear plus tires. Oh yeah and I got great video of me brake checking you. Lol.
 
No doubt we could all benefit from a good debrief.

But lets first focus on the positive...our goal with this event was to stay SAFE and have FUN! And that we accomplished!!:D I know I made mistakes (several) and learned things that could be improved on my car (tires getting worn). But, overall feel it was a very successful event and one that we'd like to do again!!!

Many thanks to Tim and Steven for putting this together and coaching us through it!
 
I second what Mike said. Thoroughly enjoyed seeing our group out on track Saturday and going home at the end of the day safe :D From the comments in the forum and at the track, everyone was having a blast and learning about their cars. Big thank you to Tim for mobilizing/guiding the group. It was great to experience trackday with our own group (4) and watch us evolve throughout the day. All in all, Celeste and I feel very thankful to be club members :)
 
You and your Mustang? Yeah, can't wait to see you ripping the Cobra around a track.
 
NICCCCCEEE! Steven, you were EATING Porsches! That was awesome

Were you running Nitto05's? Tony, didn't you say that's what you're running?
 
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