Fiberglass Prep and Paint Experts - HELP!

Location (City)
Saint Louis
First Name
Todd
Last Name
Sparlin
Hey guys - HELP!!!!! Spent the last 1 1/2 years tinkering with a Cobra kit. Went in for paint with a shop that didn't have wide experience with fiberglass. Surprise - we have problems. I need the experience of this board to help me get it over the line:

Problem: Fiberglass kit body had little or no gel coat. I guess you could say it was raw fiberglass. Don't ask me the kit builder as I don't know. Car was primed with poly, blocked, painted and buffed. All looked great until it was put in the sun 2 weeks later and the paint "shrunk" to the point you could see scratch marks and spots that lifted. Horrible. Ugh....

Shop Comment (won't name the shop): The shop is a bit confused. They talked to a boat builder that said the fiberglass was too thin which caused the issues. They also said it could be taken down again to the raw fiberglass and gel coated, but no guarantee it wouldn't do it again. The shop is looking to me to help them make a decision and I am clearly not an expert in fiberglass or paint. Very frustrating, but I need to get over it and move this forward.

Questions:
1. Fiberglass - The boat builder said the fiberglass was too thin. It feels strong to me. Would that be a driver of the problem or are we talking to the wrong person?

2. Raw Fiberglass (no gel coat) - Is poly primer appropriate to cover "raw" fiberglass? If not, what should be used? I don't know why it didn't have gel coat and, at this point, I don't care.

3. Primer Curing Time - It was ~ 3-4 weeks or so between primer and paint. Was it not cured enough prior to paint?

4. What to do now? Do we take the car all the way back down to bare fiberglass or just down to the poly primer? Would you use something different on the few areas that lifted.

5. Good Cobra Paint Shops - Any suggestions on good paint shops for Cobras in STL? Anyone you would recommend could consult with this shop?

The shop is vested agreed to do the right thing to get it done right. I would like to stay with the shop if possible. Just finish it correctly and move on. Thank you in advance for your help.

Todd
 
Wow!!! I've painted alot of stuff never had that happen. Might talk to a good paint supplier. You are going to have to take it all the way back to the fiberglass (sorry), maybe look at epoxy primers. Where are you located at?
Rick
 
Would be interested in paint manufacturer!
Any pictures?
Raw fiberglass is rough, you would of had to of had some kind of gel coat or primer filler to smooth it out.
Primer/ paint not compatible!
Primer filler not for specific fiberglass type.
Did the paint lift off the primer or all the primer and paint lift from the fiberglass?
 
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Gel coat, in simple terms is just a resin without the fiberglass, layed to the surface of the mold to seal the part and the provide a smooth finish. With proper thckness and application, it keeps the underlying fiberglass from "printing thru" to the outer visible side. It also helps seal the fiberglass from moisture intrusion. Possibly the gelcoat was too thin or didn't cure properly but I think most resin manufacturers will point towards improper paint/primer/sealer, either in selection, quality or application.

You can take 'raw fiberglass' and cover it with a sealer, then primer, then paint and it will turn out OK, it just takes more work to get there. And each step/application provides another opportunity for error.

Bottom line, to correct it, you're going to go all the way back to the fiberglass surface and remove the primers and the adhesion problems. Then build it back up to the proper finish.

I would be looking to a different shop, they've already shown they are unfamiliar with proper procedures (yes, this is going to add to the total cost). And any new shop is going to want to remove all the offending product, just to make sure it doesn't resurface in their work.

Give me a call and I'll be happy to discuss shops. I've had good luck with Murrill's in Washington.

Paul Proefrock
 
Todd
Club meeting this Tuesday evening in Chesterfield Valley - Sonic. Why not come out and discuss your issues with the group.

Paul
 
Todd, if you come to meeting can you bring a door or hood, something that show the problems? Then maybe we can discuss solutions.
 
Don't know what I was thinking,not the sharpest in this drawer but tues. is Elizabeth's 50th birthday, I don't think a club meeting is where I should be. See you all later.
 
What better birthday present than to take her to the club meeting. We like birthday's with a '0'

:cool:
 
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