A soldier's sacrifice...

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Tim M

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Received this link from my boss about his daughter and son-in-law. I don't think many realize what sacrifices our hero's make to protect our freedom, other's freedom and our rights as citizen's. These folks protect my son's right to say "I wish they would outlaw guns altogether because I think that would stop all the shootings". Yeah, he said that. :( Anyway, if you feel this would educate others, feel free to share the link - http://www.kmbc.com/news/17965614/detail.html#-
 
I agree...

That is a sad situation that many veterans can appreciate even more than the general public. We need to continue to support our men an women in arms in every way we can. Something that was clearly lacking in the 60's and 70's. Military life can be very stressful and it is even more so when you don't think your efforts are being supported by the public back home.

I hope your son learns that outlawing guns only affects law abiding citizens. By definition..law breakers will not be affected as they will continue to possess illegal firearms and use them against law abiding citizens who...becasue of their willingness to obey laws...are now unprotected and at the mercy of armed thugs.

Men in prison who were asked what they feared most during the commission of their crimes did not answer that they feared the police. What they stated they feared most was an armed citizen. Allowing law abiding responsible gun owners the means to protect themselves with firearms is the greatest deterrent to further violence and crime. Just the prospect of a criminal encountering an armed citizen is an effective deterrent.

This human nature is a microcosm of what occurs on a national scale. Look at undeveloped countries in Africa where those countries with arms take advantage of weaker countries lacking adequate protection. We see reports of thousands killed in genocide and ethic cleansing. These atrocities can only occur when one group of people are unable to defend themselves. When these small countries have sufficient means to fend off would be attackers...they survive these attempts and the attackers look for softer less well defended targets.

It is the same in this country on a much smaller scale. Those who are unable to defend themselves due to firearm regulations find them at the mercy of those who would try to harm them.

History provides us with MANY examples:

A little Gun History Lesson
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up an d exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of this history lesson.

With Guns............We Are 'Citizens'.
Without Them........We Are 'Subjects'.


“Those who beat their guns into plowshares…will plow for those who do not…”

During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attache to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country.

It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was:

“You cannot invade America. There is a rifle behind every blade of grass.”


K&K
 
While I agree with both of you 100% I also need to mention that your son needs to realize what has been sacrificed for him to be able to say they should outlaw guns. The true beauty of this country is its citizens are allowed free thought. This is regardless of if they agree with me or they are wrong:D:D. To further this topic my Grandfather had 3 purple hearts, 6 bronze stars and the medal of honor. My cousin at 30 yrs old has two purple hearts and 3 bronze stars along with his airborne combat jump pin. With that I still say your son's right to speak his mind is just as important is our 2nd.
 
A Soldier's Sacrifice II

This is close to being on topic for Tim's thread, but I believe it deserves a thread of its own. The last story on NBC Nightly News last night grabbed my attention. It was about a gentleman from N.J.(?) named Anderson (?) who sometime early in this decade took it upon himself to dedicate a lot of his own energies & finances to try to convince those in the construction trades to donate their time & energy toward building housing for our wounded veterans. WOW! In about 2004 when everything started to look like it was not going to work, & he was close to personal bankruptcy due to his sacrificial efforts, Pres. Bush heard of his efforts & recognized him. After that celebrities like Billy Joel & others began donating large sums & now he & others are building handicapped accessible homes for veterans. WOW! Very touching & moving story. I tried to find a link on MS-NBC last night re the story, so I could post it here for you guys, but was unable to do so. I will try again. We owe a debt of gratitude to our veterans that none of us can begin to repay other than to try like Mr. Anderson has done. He is without a doubt a true american HERO!
 
Brandon...very true.

What is often lost when discussing the importance of our first amendment freedom of speech is what protects that freedom of speech if we did not have the second amendment?

Too often the second amendment to keep and bear arms is tied ONLY to the narrow purpose of physical protection...when it is far more than that. It also provides protection of speech, protection of public assembly, protection of the right to vote, and protection from unjust unconstitutional law. Without this last resort of having the ability to take up arms.... we have no protection to all the other rights we take for granted. If we loose the second ammendment...we lose the guarantee of all our other rights.

It was NEVER about duck hunting....!

Kerry
 
"Protection from unjust unconstitutional law(s)"

Kerry please give us hypothetical or real example(s) of when it would be appropriate in your opinion for law abiding gun owners to use their second amendment right to keep & bear arms as "protection from unjust unconstitutional law(s)." ATTENTION Forum Moderator: Please delete this post if in your opinion it is deemed inappropriate for any reason.
 
Here we go - again

Tell you what fellas - I watched this thread develop (along with a few others) and have let most of them go in the interest of "interesting" reading. But, bottom line this isn't the sort of debate to be had on a forum dedicated to our toy cars. So, in the interest of peace and harmony concerning all that I do consider friends - I'm going to close this thread.

I enjoy debates (of almost any kind), but do not enjoy hurt feelings of anyone.
So, reign it in a bit.
 
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